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The Best Conversations About Food and Agriculture Start with This (aka Final Post of This Blog Project)

The best conversations about food and agriculture start with respect. Agriculture has so many lightning rods (GMOs, livestock production and care, land stewardship, pesticides) which stir strong responses. But if you approach the conversation with respect it is amazing what can be accomplished along the way. The point of this blog was to share our conversation about food and agriculture in a respectful manner. When we started discussing the idea of a blog project to share our food and agriculture conversations we knew that we had to start with respect. Nearly a year after starting this project we still have differences and those differences may never be resolved, but we listen to each other and respect each other’s opinions. Sadly, we have to pull the plug on this project a little sooner than we anticipated so this is our final blog post. Coincidentally, both of us had some major changes occur in our lives about the same time. No worries, it is all good! But this leaves us little time to manage this project.
What worked well with this project?
As we mentioned above we came to the conversation with mutual respect; we also came to this project with a high level of trust. We knew each other prior to this project but we had never worked together on a project. We were able to listen to each other without attempting to start a debate. We used skype video conferencing early in the project so we could read each other’s facial expressions. As we became more comfortable with each other we relied exclusively on email to exchange ideas and write our conversations.
What didn’t go so well with this project?
We could have done a better job turning out more content. Unfortunately, due to Andy’s schedule he was only able to commit to about one or two conversations a month. In a social media world that is saturated with messaging, our low frequency of publishing meant our blog posts got lost in the noise. Andy had $100 in ad words credit that was used to help promote this blog but we don’t feel this helped much. We are willing to share our stats if you would like to see them, just let one of us know.
What would we do differently?
Pictures are worth a thousand words, so we think incorporating more images into our posts would have helped engage our readers.
We enjoyed the project and even though we won’t be posting here anymore we are excited to follow the dynamic conversation about food and agriculture.
Thank you,
Lindsay Hotmire & Andy Kleinschmidt

Does the Word ‘Factory’ Belong in Front of Farms?

Wanda Patsche (twitter.com/MinnFarmer) recently published an article Let’s take the ‘factory’ out of factory farms http://www.minnpost.com/minnesota-blog-cabin/2014/06/let-s-take-factory-out-factory-farms. Lindsay and Andy share their reactions to this article.

Andy Kleinschmidt

Lindsay and I have been chatting about writing short reaction posts to current events or hot topics. When I read Wanda Patsche’s article a few days ago my immediate thought turned to getting Lindsay’s opinion on the article.

The phrase factory farm is a label and is intended to be used negatively. So I don’t use it, and like Ms. Patsche, I really don’t know what qualifies a farm to be a factory farm.  I’ve visited hundreds and hundreds of farms and what I notice most is each farm is unique.

When I look around I see farms.  I see farms that use amazing technology. I see farms where each farm is managed slightly different from the next.  I see farms with beautiful fields of corn or soybeans or wheat or canola or rice. I see the magnificent blossoms of Almond trees in the valley. I see the dairy farm that buys my hay.  I see a turkey farm, a hog farm, a cattle farm and on and on.  But what I really see is a family working together to make food that you and I will eat. 

It is easy to get caught up in the emotion from a scary piece of information that is linked to ‘factory farms’.  It happens to me. But if I dig just a bit deeper than the headline and ask questions,  I find misinformation or I realize that the facts are far less sensational than the headline. Does factory belong in front of farms? No, and I think we can advance the conversation about agriculture and food production further and faster if we checked emotionally charged labels at the door.

As always, I am thankful to Lindsay for the discussion as well as her collaboration on this project.  Also, I am thankful those who provided Lindsay quotes to use for this article. There is common ground out there, let’s keep the conversation going and let’s find our common ground.

Lindsay Hotmire

In all reality, I think most people involved in the factory farming argument share Ms. Patsche’s sentiment. Indeed, we ought to take the “factory” out of the farm.  And most certainly, we ought to cheer for a team steeped in values, care and ethic. It’s hard to argue with Ms. Patsche’s emotional pleas:

We share the same values as our parents, grandparents and great grandparents. We care for our animals daily. It matters and affects us if our animals are sick or injured. Today’s farmers work with a team to assist them in giving the best animal care. . . . The purpose of this team? Simple really–to raise healthy animals.

Unless, of course, you look at the numbers and statistics that have been outlined on posts throughout this blog.  But today, I think that the more compelling voice is the community that Ms. Patsche describes, those who live among the “neighbors, [her] friends, fellow church members, parents of [her] children’s friends and people in [her] community.”

     There’s not a lot I feel free to say because I have been sued. Apparently, defending your right to life, liberty, and happiness doesn’t really apply to everyone. You know, we were doing what we thought we were supposed to do. We were working within our constitutional rights, within the framework protected by our government, and we were seeking legislative change. This is what the Ohio Department of Agriculture told us to do. “Hey,” they said. “We follow the law. If you want something done, you have to change the legislature.” So that is what we did, but we were naïve. In today’s society, there are no rights when you live next to a farm. (Joan Knight, Choked Silent)

     My family has always had horses—good horses. We raised them for premier events, national races. And we raised winners. We took pride in that. By the time the farms came, we had scaled down tremendously, and I only had two horses in the stalls at my parents’ farm. One week, I cleaned the barn, and shortly after, I witnessed a scene straight out of a horror movie. I had gone over to feed my horse that wasn’t with the trainer. He was a beautiful brown horse with a star on his face. It had been five days since I had cleaned the barn, too short of a time for flies to hatch out of manure.  I found him, standing in his stall, black with flies. He was covered—I couldn’t even find the star on his face. The straw, the stall, everything was moving. I couldn’t see anything besides flies . . . .  I came undone at that point. (Jim C., Choked Silent)

     You see, that silent partner was. . .  the egg farmer that got banned from ever operating another farm in Iowa. Remember the salmonella outbreak? The one that sickened sixteen thousand people? That was [him].  He had been fined millions of dollars on charges ranging from farm mismanagement to rape to hiring illegals. And now, he was our new neighbor, the businessman parading as a family farmer and knowing well enough to stay hidden from public view. (Rosie B., Choked Silent)

     So many of us have lived here forever. So many of us farm the land in this community, and here came this egg farm, this big time farmer who was forbidden from ever owning another animal in Germany, and he told us what the Ohio Department of Agriculture would later echo: If you don’t like it, move. This was agricultural land. (Jim W., Choked Silent)

     I had hate mail, and I did report that. It said something like, “You should all die because I am feeding the world.” (Jane P., Choked Silent)

We can argue all day about efficiency and profit and environmental harm, but the truth, Ms. Patsche, is that these factory farms are destroying the social fabric of the rural communities where they exist. And I’ve never known neighbors or friends or small business-minded folk to do that to one another.

Excerpts taken from 2013 Master's thesis, Choked Silent: A Plea from Rural America for a New Place at the Table. Lindsay spent a year traveling throughout rural Ohio, collecting stories from the rural neighbors of CAFOs. Many stories like this exist throughout the United States. More on her thesis can be found at lindsayhotmire.com




(Not) Another Pesticide Article

What do you think of when you hear the word ‘pesticide’? It is a word that is tossed around and usually in the direction of agriculture.  This week Lindsay and Andy focus their discussion on pesticides and share their view of pesticides and this polarizing topic. This isn’t just another pesticide article. This is a conversation.

Andy Kleinschmidt

The topic of pesticides has been written about here and here and here and here. Instead of writing another pesticide article, Lindsay and I had a conversation, some back-and-forth, and discussed our different viewpoints below.

Lindsay tells her story below about her dad making a living thanks to pesticides and I immediately think back to my agriculture beginnings working for a pesticide manufacturer. I too made a living because of pesticides — it’s where I started. As a 23 year-old kid fresh out of graduate school trying to sell Prowl/Pursuit (those were very popular herbicides for soybeans in the 1990’s) I thought I knew what a pesticide was… but I didn’t really know until much later.

A few years ago at a family gathering one of my family members made a comment about the food she had brought to the event.  I have forgotten the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of “the food I brought is all-natural with none of those toxic pesticides.”  I wasn’t really sure what she meant, since all-natural doesn’t necessarily mean pesticide-free.

In the years between my job selling Prowl/Pursuit and my family member making a comment about ‘toxic pesticides’ I had learned an important fact about pesticides… pesticides are a legal construct.  The EPA has a really good ELI5 (Explain Like I’m Five) explanation of pesticide which also helps explain what I mean when I say ‘legal construct’: “Pesticide is any substance or mixture of substances intended for: preventing, destroying, repelling, or mitigating any pest” (source: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/index.htm#what_pesticide). The key word in the explanation isn’t substance or mixture; the key word is intended.  Pesticides are defined by intended use of the product. The determining factor in whether or not a product is a pesticide has nothing to do with the makeup of particular substances.

Here’s a real example. Several weed scientists a few years ago studied whether or not household vinegar can control weeds. Household vinegar, aka white vinegar, contains about 5% acetic acid.  Researchers had some success on small weeds and on certain types of weeds. But household vinegar manufacturers do not intend their product to be used as a pesticide. Therefore, household vinegar is not considered a pesticide even though it can kill certain weeds. (Source: http://www.wssajournals.org/doi/full/10.1614/WT-08-185.1)

I am very interested in having the conversation about pesticide use, understanding the concerns and reassuring Lindsay and others that food on your plate is not toxic.  Also, I want to have the conversation about organic food production and discuss that organic does not necessarily mean pesticide-free. Organic food production does allow for naturally-derived pesticides (current resources maintained here). As Lindsay and I chat about Bt,  I’ll discuss that Bt is naturally occurring soil bacterium and it could even be used in organic food production as a pesticide.

I get it that just because pesticides are a legal construct does not make the issue of pesticide use unimportant. And I am very sensitive to the fact there is great interest in understanding how food is grown and how it moves from the field to our plate. But if you take nothing else away from this discussion between Lindsay and I, please walk away with the knowledge that intent of a product –not a certain level of toxicity — determines whether or not a product is considered a pesticide.

I thank Lindsay for sharing her viewpoint and concerns. Let’s keep talking.

There are some great resources where you can read more and ask questions:

1. US Farmers and Ranchers Alliance:  http://www.fooddialogues.com/foodsource/usfras-view-on-pesticides-fertilizers-herbicides

2. eExtension  https://ask.extension.org/search/all?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=pesticides  ask a question here: https://ask.extension.org/ask

3. EPA http://pesticides.supportportal.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=23008&_referrer=http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/


Lindsay Hotmire

As a little girl growing up with a father who made his living thanks to pesticides, I can remember often being confronted with the accusation that although my father sought to earn a living in order to put bread and milk on our table, he was also responsible for killing birds en masse.

Being a child, this enraged me—mostly because I wasn’t equipped with the knowledge to defend myself against these authoritarian accusations. I never looked at pesticides as dangerous. I believed they had a noble purpose, defending against destructive pests and invasive species. Nature isn’t always true to Monet or Audobon or Adams. Sometimes fight and might are required against the forces of nature if we are going to survive.

And this is where the dichotomy enters.

While Andy tried to broaden the conversation on pesticides, I fear that he’s missing the central point of concern by those vociferous consumers who are in the same camp as his pesticide-free/natural loving family member. Case in point: While vinegar might technically be considered a herbicide due to its amazing ability to eradicate pesky weeds, its level of toxicity to the human body (when ingested) is not comparable to regularly used agricultural pesticides such as modified Bt toxins or nicotynils. In fact, vinegar is often used to cleanse a living body of toxins while modified Bt toxins and nicotynils are used to completely obliterate living bodies.

To me, that’s a huge difference.

In 2008, Dr. Charles Benbrook, Chief Scientist at The Organic Center in Oregon, argued that with proper prevention, the use of pesticides could be drastically lowered. In his article, Prevention, not Profit ,Should Drive Pest Management, Benbrook talks about the dangers of systemic pesticides—the types that cannot be washed away regardless of how hard consumers may try. This is because systemic pesticides have been designed to grow with the plant, so every bite becomes laced with trace amounts of pesticide residual. The agricultural community wants us to believe that those trace amounts are harmless, but as Benbrook has pointed out (along with many others), research just isn’t on the side of that claim.

When talking about genetically engineered Bt toxins, Benbrook says that

We are entering uncharted waters in the assessment of farm animal, human, and ecological impacts associated with the trend toward systemic solutions to corn insect management challenges. Millions of acres of corn silage are grown and harvested at a stage when there remain relatively high levels of Bt toxins, and perhaps even nicotinyls, through plant tissues. I know of no research exploring the impacts on animal health and reproduction of the toxin cocktail now in corn silage.”[i]

That word, “toxin cocktail” is the silver bullet when understanding the fears of the consumer. The educated consumer is savvy enough to understand that while one particular pesticide residue may not be toxic on its own accord, repeated and prolonged exposure to low-level pesticide cocktail residues and systemic pesticides can prove deadly. And when the consumer begins to understand that the EPA has never denied an application for a new pesticide or even revoked an old one in spite of evidence of harm to the non-human population ( except for chlorfenapyr on cotton)[ii], trust begins to wane. (For let us not forget that animal species began to show evidence of DDT’s harmful influence long before we understood its effect on the human population.)

What exactly is in the food we are eating?  

This is the question that the consumer is asking.  Is it possible that in the name of advancement, farmers are poisoning (albeit sometimes unwittingly) our food system, our eco-system, and our bodies? Is it possible that complicated catastrophes, such as Colony Collapse Disorder amongst our honey bees, are sending out a distress signal to mankind?

And most importantly, is it possible to raise food without the application of toxins?

The consumer is demanding that the answer is yes. Research is indicating that the answer is yes. But the scientist, the agricultural world? They don’t seem interested in even having the conversation, wanting instead to impress us with their figures of low toxicity, their estimates on just exactly how much chemical poison a toddler can consumer before experiencing neurological responses. It is a peculiar consideration—raising food without man made toxins, and as research continues to support the idea of organic farming, promoting fewer and fewer pesticides, I believe the farming community will be the catalyst for class warfare (as it has been many times throughout history), creating a system of the haves and have nots where those who can afford clean food will buy it, and those who cannot? Well, they’ll be left with a toxic plate.

[i] Benbrook, Charles. “Prevention, not Profit, Should Drive Pest Management.”  Pesticide News 82 (2008). 12-17.

[ii] Ibid.


farm fields

What Is Sustainable Agriculture?

What does it mean for agriculture to be sustainable? Farmers, consumers, environmentalists: They all have their ideas on sustainability, but what does it really mean? Throughout the next two weeks, Andy and Lindsay sort out the differences as they talk about their own definitions of sustainability.